Derbyshire anti-speed camera groups' anger at news of second unmarked van
A ROW has broken out between road campaigners and the county
council over the use of a second unmarked safety camera van on
Derbyshire's roads.
Derby and Derbyshire Road Safety Partnership has given its
unmarked safety camera van a colour change to stop it being
identified, and will soon get a second van to use.
The unmarked van has been used to carry out speed checks
since March this year and the council said it was aimed at
making the county's roads safer.
But campaigners against speed cameras said it was a
money-making move which did nothing to improve road safety.
About 20,000 drivers in Derbyshire are caught by speed
cameras each year.
The original safety partnership van has been used to check
the speed of all traffic but it was introduced as part of
Operation Focus – Derbyshire police's response to the high
number of motorcyclists who are killed and badly hurt in the
county.
Robert Hill, manager at the partnership – which includes
organisations like the council, police and health trusts –
said: "Motorcycle casualties are down by almost a third
compared to last year and we want to make sure they stay
down.
"For us, the aim of using safety cameras is to prevent
people from travelling too fast, rather than to catch them.
"Vans featuring the partnership or the police logo have been
used for speed checks ever since the cameras were introduced –
but we hope to discourage more people from speeding by creating
the impression that any vehicle could be performing speed
checks."
But the use of the unmarked vans has been criticised by Safe
Speed, a national group which campaigns against speed cameras.
Spokeswoman Claire Armstrong said the vans were not making
roads safer.
"Unmarked vans are only meant to be used to target a
specific group in a covert operation but that seems to have
been applied loosely to entire groups of road users, like
motorcyclists.
"What is more, they do not work. Speed cameras are a flawed
road safety policy. If you want to change someone's driving
behaviour, you need to stop them when they are spotted doing
something wrong, not send them something in the post which they
don't get until 14 days after the offence.
"We do think it is a money-making scheme now. We have had 15
years of cameras and we have not seen any benefits from
them."
Mr Hill disagreed and said they did make the roads
safer.
He said: "Since safety cameras began operating in the
county, the number of people killed or seriously injured has
been reduced by 40% on roads where cameras are in use.
"Unmarked camera vehicles are now also being used to target
particular problems such as motorcycles and high-speed drivers
on problem routes where casualties remain particularly high. As
well as reducing deaths and injuries, safety cameras are
capturing fewer motorists each year, indicating that people are
making a conscious effort to stick to the speed limits in
place."
The partnership's criteria for using unmarked safety camera
vans will remain the same: they will be used to detect
high-level speeding offences, of all vehicles, on routes where
high numbers of people are being killed or badly hurt in
crashes.
Roger Lawson, of the Association of British Drivers, said
the group wanted to see all unmarked cameras removed from the
county's roads.
He said: "Obviously, any attack on speeding is to slow
people down and, if vehicles are unmarked, then there is no
visual impact on speeders."
The safety partnership says its mobile camera vans normally
carry coloured livery and reflective strips and are "highly
visible" but it says that there will be "special occasions"
when there will be a need to operate with unmarked
vehicles.
Four mobile safety camera vehicles are operated at about 100
sites across Derbyshire. Up to now, only one vehicle has been
unmarked.
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by Nick, Derby
Wednesday, August 27 2008, 9:27AM
“Peter - how rude of you to call someone elses comments twaddle. We live in a democracy where we all have the rights to our opinions, and just because someones opinion is different to yours, does not mean it is "twaddle". You also mention Derbyshire Police in your comment - its the safety partnership that decide the camera sites, not the police. Get your facts straight before you criticise others.”
by Roy, Derby
Tuesday, August 26 2008, 2:40PM
“The last time I checked the 'stealth' camera van's registration on the DVLA site it was still listed under it's old colour - I thought it was an offence to not notify the DVLA of changes to vehicles.
As Peter says, they are quite happy to let you commit the offence and pocket £60. If they parked a marked car there the traffic would slow down”
by SSJ, Derby
Tuesday, August 26 2008, 12:48PM
“Whether it is a speed camera, burglar alarm or any other crime detection device, there should be no need to make announcements about their presence. Once a driver or any criminal knows about the installation of the relevant device, they transfer their offending behaviours to somewhere else.”
by Peter, Derby
Tuesday, August 26 2008, 11:07AM
“Mark, what a load of twaddle. The rate at which road deaths have been decreasing has slowed to almost a standstill since the obsession with cameras - 'safety' cameras have actually contributed to slowing down our road safety improvements. Also if it is so unsafe to speed, why are Derbyshire Police happy for that motorist to continue for up to two weeks non-the wiser rather than having them slow down immediately? Revenue, pure and simple - if a road is so dangerous and casualties result then surely any sane minded person would want speeding motorists to be slowed down there and then?”
by Mark, Ashbourne
Tuesday, August 26 2008, 9:30AM
“The law is there for all to obey. That is the point of democracy. I don't see people complaining about hidden cameras used to catch thieves, muggers or burglars. Speeding intimidates vulnerable road users. Speed limits are to be observed whether a speed camera is there or not. If speed cameras don't work then why have the number of road deaths decreased significantly since they were introduced nationwide? The most effective speed cameras are average speed cameras. See slowerderbyshire.co.uk for more details.”