“@dave15248
Denying people the same rights you have is discrimination, and in this case, prejudice. Get over it!
A lot of people don't agree with you. Get over it!
When people don't agree with you they have a right to oppose your comments. Get over it!

Don't use Caps Lock, it's not big, and it's not clever! Get over it!”

“@ purple_t
SOME PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH SAME SEX RELATIONSHIPS - GET OVER IT !”

“@dave15248
Of course it's wasted on you davey boy, you're far too prejudiced on this to ever change, even though many who apparently read the same bible, and worship the same god think differently.

rbob123
Of course we have many laws rbob. But to deny a loving couple the right to marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the harm you ramble on about. If it has then we'd better stop all marriages, and all sexual relationships.
How on earth is two people related to drugs?
A marriage between anyone has absolutely nothing to do with you, whether you agree with it or not!
Christianity is supposed to be a loving religion. The bible says we're all created equally. It says to love thy neighbour as you would yourself. It doesn't allow for divorce. It says many many things that just aren't even relevant anymore. Sadly far too many like to pick and choose what they will condemn and what they'll accept. And not every christian seems to agree with you and davey boy.
If the bible condemns homosexuality, but not the person, then why did you agree with a comment saying they're not normal, and not natural? And why didn't you clear up with me whether you really did agree with it or not? It's an appalling thing to both say, and agree with!

Your paedophile comment really was disgusting and offensive!
You don't seem to like people judging you by what you say, yet you are both judging, and discriminating against people you don't know, and who have never done you harm.
A good person is a good person rbob, no matter their sexuality, and a bad person is a bad person, no matter their sexuality.
You may not like what gay's do in private, but there's nothing they do that a fair few straight couples also do. It really is none of your business!

Equality rbob, that's all people are asking for!”

“Yes, it's the post-modern mantra isn't it....'you can do whatever you like with whoever you like as long as it doesn't harm anyone else'
Very nice, until you look a little deeper. Because what people do in private does actually affect society in some way. Society is not simply a lot of individuals added together. Why do we have drug laws making it illegal to possess say heroin, even for private use? Because it harms people, and others come under the influence.
My point with the paedophile, is that we do, actually, despite Purple's 'hate all discrimination' placard, we do have to discriminate at times, between what is good and what is bad. We may differ on which is which, but nevertheless as a society we are called to make these judgements.
Whether we are Christians or not, the laws and morals of this country are firmly based on Christianity as taught in the Bible. The Bible clearly, in many places, condemns homosexual practise (NOT the person) and those of us who believe this to be correct have a duty to say so, because the pro-gay lobby shout ever so loudly and are ever so insistent.
Of course, those who worship the post-modern mantra will hate us for it, but so be it.”

“purps
You asked why I was against gay marriage and I've responded accordingly. If you don't agree that's fine I couldn't careless, so there is no need to write an essay in response, it's wasted on me!”

“@dave15248
1. The bible was written by men and contains both the goodness of man, and the prejudice of man.
2. Doesn't the bible say marriage is for life, "Til death us do part" as it's traditionally spoken. Divorce is out, and no remarriage allowed. Divorcees are now allowed to remarry in the church, but surely if it goes against gods word then it's also abhorrent!
3. There's people from the church want gay marriage to be allowed in the same way, so how come they can read the same bible and yet have a different view davey?
I note you ignore that story!
4. Doesn't this sacred book of yours say something about avoiding a woman during her period of uncleanliness?
A rather derogatory way to describe a woman's period don't you think. Do you avoid women during this time ?
Or is it just sexual contact you're supposed to avoid, in which case you might have to go snooping around those people who ignore this part of the bible and tell them how abhorrent they are.
5. The christian church, and it's followers, have changed their views on many things over many centuries to fit with modern times and modern thinking, often after much persecution of those they eventually come to agree with.
How could the word of god change so much? Your belief system has been very inconsistent hasn't it.
6. Not everyone supports a god belief, so why should they suffer discrimination simply because you claim some biblical support for your views? A view that not even all christians agree with!
7. People don't choose to be gay, but you choose what you believe! And you choose your discrimination and prejudices!
8. All people deserve the same rights!


@rbob123
Two consenting adults wanting to marry and share their lives together could only be equated with paedophilia by someone with a very deranged mind!
Knowing people who have been sexually abused as children, one of whom was a girlfriend for several years, then i find your comment quite vile and sickening. There is no similarity whatsoever between two loving adults sharing their lives, and those sick individuals who abuse children.
In fact, such abuse of anyone is totally wrong!
Surely even you can see the difference between being forced, and consenting!”

“Why don't we stop discriminating against paedophiles? After all, they are only doing what comes naturally to them. Who is anyone else to judge?”

“Why are you so against gay marriage dave?

Dead simple, because it's unnatural and abnormal. Marriage is the joining together of a man and a woman, always has been, always will be and any other form of 'marriage' is abhorrent. Look it up in the Bible purps, all is explained.”

“Get room you two. You seem to quite like each other... ;)”

“Have you recovered from your rant now rbob123?
On here we can only judge people by what they say, and comments they agree with, and that's in various threads over time.
You called someone a racist for saying Dr Sentamu was an unelected African. I gave two possible reasons why it might be relevant;
1. He suffered persecution which he fled from, so using his position in the church to try and sway the government on a law that would give equal marriage rights to homosexuals makes it somewhat hypocritical of him.
2. He's from an area well known for gay hate over a long period of time. Where we're from and the views of those around us can have an effect. Considering his stance on gay marriage then it could, note i say could, be relevant.

You dismissed them out of hand.

I also mentioned his Christian belief could also be why he's against gay marriage. You yourself said homosexuality is wrong in the sight of God.
I offered the views of the Archbishop of Derby who has a more open and understanding view, but you ignored it. I also offered those of the church in London who are petitioning for the individual to decide if they allow same sex ceremonies in their churches in a similar way to how they do with divorcees. You have also ignored that. Both offer a different view to that of Dr Sentamu.

So who is it that's not debating?

Opinions can be discriminatory, insulting, hateful etc. Those Muslims recently convicted in Derby were expressing their opinion. It was a hateful opinion so they were prosecuted for spreading that hate.
Dr Sentamu doesn't have such abhorrent opinions as them, but his opinion is a discriminatory one as it would deny a section of society from gaining the same rights we have.
Can you really not understand?

I made an innocent mistake and quoted you as saying homosexuals are not normal, and not natural. I apologised for that. But as you were in fact agreeing with a commenter who had said it, then i also concluded you agreed with that part of his comment.
As you called me a liar I offered you the chance to prove my conclusion wrong, and you disappeared instead. You now seem to only have returned to prove you hadn't run away, and to insult me and make patronising remarks, yet still fail to clarify if you think homosexuals are not normal or natural, or if you think they are. I would have thought you'd care seeing as you made a big deal out of my minor error.

Never mind rbob123, it's clear where you're coming from, so be a good fellow, and shut up!”