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POLICE have come up with a radical plan to pedestrianise parts of Derby city centre between 10pm and 4am.

The aim is to help reduce the number of violent incidents involving late-night revellers.

Senior officers believe banning vehicles from Victoria Street, Cheapside, Wardwick and The Strand would create more space for drinkers, leading to a more relaxed atmosphere and reducing the risks of alcohol-fuelled fights taking place.

Superintendent Gary Parkin, commanding officer for Derby, said the more space that people have, confrontations are less likely.

"Crowd dynamics suggest that people behave differently in large groups. That, coupled with the alcohol factor means you have an increased risk of violence," he added.

He said the force was in "very early" discussions with organisations such as the city council.

Officers believe preventing vehicles from entering parts of the city between 10pm and 4am would make it safer for visitors.

Preliminary

talks between the city council and police have taken place to look at

pedestrianising Victoria Street, Cheapside, Wardwick and The Strand to

make more space for revellers.

As well as reducing violence, police say the move would reduce the risk of pedestrians being run over by vehicles.

Under the scheme, all vehicles, including buses and taxis, would be banned from areas of the city centre.

At

the moment, there are taxi ranks in Victoria Street and The Strand.

Officers say they would look at either keeping those ranks in place or

creating four new ranks at the corners of the city centre.

Taxi marshals would be used to direct people to those ranks.

Although the plans have received some support, they have received a mixed reaction from businesses and cabbies.

Wayne Taylor, general manager at Coyote Wild, in Victoria Street, does not believe the idea would work.

He

said: "As it is, customers from our business can get straight into a

taxi because they are right outside. If the taxis are taken away, it

will leave people to hang around and fight with each other.

"It

is a really bad idea. We're going to have people walking around the

city centre, bumping into each other and having the opportunity to

cause trouble."

Javed Khan, from the Derby Area Taxi Operators' Association, also voiced concerns about the idea.

He

said: "I think the only way to cut down on violence in the city centre

is to have more police officers. I can't see how creating more space is

going to help matters.

"I would also have concerns about the

safety aspect of trying to get large numbers of people from the centre

of town to areas where the taxis are."

Mr Khan believes cab

firms could lose out if the plans go ahead. He said: "If people have to

walk further to get a taxi, they might not bother.

"I think this

whole idea will be too difficult to police. At the moment, parts of the

city centre are for buses and taxis only, but you get normal vehicles

driving in those areas."

Between December and February, there

were 256 violent incidents in Derby city centre, compared with 244 for

the same period in 2008-09.

Superintendent Gary Parkin, a

commanding officer for Derby, said: "People behave differently when

they are in crowds. Couple that with the alcohol factor – and a lot of

people in the city centre at those times will have been drinking – then

you have an increased risk of violence.

"There have been

examples of people being involved in violence in the city centre when

in their normal, everyday lives, they would never dream of it.

"Other

force areas, such as West Yorkshire, have done it [a vehicle ban] in

some of their city centres and it has helped to protect the nighttime

economy."

Supt Parkin said the force was in "very early" discussions with organisations such as the city council.

He said: "The thought process is at an early stage.

"We

could look at leaving the taxis in situ or potentially place them at

the four corners of the city centre, so taxi marshals and other visible

guardians can direct groups towards those areas."

Dave Lalor, chairman of Derby and Derby City Pubwatch, believes the idea would work well.

He said: "This could encourage more people to come into the city centre and enjoy the bars, pubs and clubs.

"As

well as reducing the risks of violence, it would reduce the risk of

people who are worse for wear stepping in front of vehicles and

injuring themselves.

"I can't see that this can have any kind of negative effect on the nighttime economy. It is something I would support."

City councillors have also suggested that the idea would need some consideration.

Liberal Democrat councillor Lucy Care said: "In principle, I have nothing against this.

"However, we would have to look closely at the logistics of accommodating buses and taxis during those times."

Harvey

Jennings, leader of Derby Conservative group, said: "In principle, I

think it is a good idea. It would have to be closely looked at to

ensure it was viable.

"We want to work closely with the police to make the city centre safe and this is something we would look at."

Labour

councillor Dave Roberts said: "Any initiative suggested by the

emergency services that would improve the city as a destination would

need serious consideration.

"We would want to be part of the group looking at those initiatives that are beneficial to the people of Derby."

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    by Steve, Chesterfield

    Saturday, April 10 2010, 9:08AM

    “I suppose it was a bit silly to expect a sensible practical debate about something that has been shown to actually work. Ah well, water cannons it is then!”

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    by Roy, Derby

    Saturday, April 10 2010, 6:28AM

    “It really does begger belief doesn't it, I can imagine the planning meeting.....

    "Listen chaps, we have a problem with drunken 'revellers' wandering in the road. If we send the troops in there's H&S implications and they might get their uniforms ruffled. Why don't we ban cars from the roads - you know, those machines that pay road tax, VAT on their insurance, an MOT every year, four quid a gallon tax on their petrol etc. Then we can sit tucked up nice and safely at Butterley Hall and take pictures of any that venture down the roads and send them fines through the post. Simples."”

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    by John, Belper

    Friday, April 09 2010, 9:59PM

    “Quite agree Superintendo Parkin. The drunks/students don't know the difference between the road and the pavement. It's become far too dangerous for everyone. I read Inspector Fairbrother suggested something similar recently, should have been acted on then. Looks like the new top cop is going to sort the City out.”

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    by Jayne, Derby

    Friday, April 09 2010, 7:55PM

    “So - if I am travelling back into Derby late at night after a business trip my bus will not be running from Victoria Street in order to give more room to the fighting drunken scumbags?? I think the priorities are all wrong here somehow - how about catering for the law abiding SOBER population of the city, round up the drunken scum and dump em somewhere to fight it out like the dogs they are!”

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    by Paulette, Derby

    Friday, April 09 2010, 4:01PM

    “I would like to know if any cyclists ever get stopped by the police for riding on pavements anywhere and everywhere in suburbs and city centres. It wouldn't be so bad if they stopped before apporaching pedestrians. It seems to be a standard but illegal practice nowadays. It is a particular problem on St Peter's Street.

    If people are scared to ride on the road then they shouldn't own a bike. Rhiannon Bennett a 17 year old student was killed in Buckingham on 2 April 2007 after being knocked down by a speeding cyclist on a pavement. My daughter was knocked from the pavement into a bus route aged 11 months falling onto her head still in her pushchair. A cyclist's handlebar got caught in my shoulder bag and pulled the pushchair from my grip. Happily she only sustained a minor injury to her head and lived to become an adult.”

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    by Nick, Derby

    Friday, April 09 2010, 3:35PM

    “How many people who have made posts on here have actually seen what the city is like at 2am on a Sunday morning? The city is totally different, drunken idiots everywhere, stumbling to get in taxis.
    I like Dawns idea of using the fire service to hose people out of town, but the real solution is much simpler......

    RETURN TO THE LICENSING LAWS WE USED TO HAVE, WERE PUBS CLOSED AT 11 AND CLUBS AT 2 - That will cut down on drunken behaviour. The new laws have not delivered the promises that were made when they were introduced - in fact, things are worse.”

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    by MIKE, Alvaston

    Friday, April 09 2010, 3:31PM

    “Has to be the daftest idea yet for all the reasons aired.
    MIKE”

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    by Dawn, Derby

    Friday, April 09 2010, 3:07PM

    “I wouldn't be happy if my daughter had to walk alone, to some "corner" of town to get a taxi because her mate, living at the other side of town has to go to a different "corner" for her taxi.
    There are alot of people out in the street because of the smoking ban, who wouldn't usually be there.
    Added to this the ridiculously long opening hours of pubs now.
    Let the police borrow a few hoses from the fire service, that would calm things down.
    I'd even pay to watch it !!”

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    by Harry, Sinfin

    Friday, April 09 2010, 2:55PM

    “It's not as daft as it sounds. The thing is how far will people have to walk to get to these designated Taxi areas? I think having these area's will lead to further trouble as people will be congregating at the same places at the same time however the police will no exactly where to be to try and reduce this.
    Certain Taxi firms are placed in the right places to help disperse the crowds and provide quick access to a journey home. I wouldn't be too happy if my wife or daughter would have to walk longer distances in the night alone with drunken people everywhere and even worse than those, the rapist to get a lift home.
    More thought needs to be put into this but it can be made to work.
    We have had enough people been in hospital with serious head injuries recently and any step to reduce this will help.
    Not everyone who goes out and gets drunk is looking for a fight so don't tarnish everyone with the same brush it's only a small majority.
    John what would you do if someone attacked you for no particular reason or over a misunderstanding you fought back to protect yourself and injured the other person should you too be treated harsly by the authorities? Probably not but you will be a person involved in a violent act when under the influence. point I'm making is not everything is as black and as white as you have portrayed.”

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    by Steve, Chesterfield

    Friday, April 09 2010, 2:27PM

    “This may seem like a silly idea at first but when you look into it, it actually works. They do this in Chesterfield and it cuts down on the problems of drunken violence & yobbery no end. I suppose some people are very quick to poo poo new ideas but give it a chance first.”

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