“Nate - I can spot sarcasm just fine...its just the first bit (before the obvious sarcasm) sounded like the ill informed drivel that a lot of people would come up with...there were people campaigning against a Severn Barrier that would generate elctric through tidal power as they suggested dolphins and fish would be sucked into it and chopped to bits....not bothering to look into what tidal power actually was...as you can see, thats very similar to the bird story”

“I would like to see wind turbines at Carsington Res. as I think they are elegant and graceful, plus to be able to marvel at the engineering that has gone into their design, installation and use and to know that all that effort is for a good cause. There should be more projects like this, what about all the disused mill races in Derbyshire? Could not these be refurbished, waterwheel / turbine installed and being used to generate electricity? This would preserve / restore some of our old mills and be very useful at this time of energy crisis. The energy produced would help pay for the restoration.”

“I think the structures will look quite impressive and will be a feature to the area, more likely to attract people rather than turn them away. We need green enery, and turbines are the obvious choice. I think the members (or member) of The Protect Carsington and Hopton Action Group need to need to find a hobby or job or something else constructive to do with their time.”

“It was in reference to a comment made a week or two ago along the similar lines. I thought it was ridiculous at the time, still do but worth a reminder.”

“I guess a degree in Wildlife Conservation , Habitat Management and Environmental Biology can't help a person detect sarcasm them.”

“I guessed the rest was a joke but I though that it might be sarcasm to ridicule the bird theory....you can guarantee somebody has thought of it though. At a prvious site in my old village somebody 5 miles away complained that the noise kept them awake at night..........the turbine was virtually silent stood right below it and this particular one was locked down at night.”

“MB, I'm joking. I thought you might have twigged at point of turning the planet faster comment.”

“I can tell you that its total and utter rubbish, not wishing to bring out education but I have honours degrees in Wildlife Conservation , Habitat Managemnet and Environmental Biology and Im confident that is pure fiction. The thing would disintegrate before it even hit speeds fast enough to make the blades blur nevermind totally invisible (they even turn them away from them down in strong winds because the blades cant handle the speed). Birds will natuaraly avoid the turbines 1) because its a great big obstacle sticking out of the ground and 2) because it disrupts the air current significantly so they dont want to fly near them. I suppose that will be the argument next - infringment of Avian Rights. Whatever next...should we ban them because the whirring motion of the blades is actually whipping the cream in the cows udders or causing static on sheeps wool. Its pure clutching at straws.”

“Its true, some fella on the forum said last week.”

“I actually think that they are spectaular looking things - so big yet very graceful. I wonder how much is just moaning for monaing sake. How can they intimidate walkers..they dont sway, are virtually silent and the blades dont whip round at 100mph just inces from the ground and they certainly can sneak up on anybody. As for the invisibility/killing birds theory I(if its genuine) im afraid thats not true, they would have to be spinning at an incredible speed to do anything like that (desk fan speed) and,in fact the change in air currents actually teh movement makes them mor enoticable to birds”