“It makes no difference to the animal whether it's being killed for fashion, food, sport or because it's dangerous or inconvenient to people; or whether it's death is considered "necessary" or "optional" - it's the being killed that's the issue. All vegetarians would agree, or they ought to.
If you consider it acceptable to kill an animal for any one of the above reasons then you cannot object to other people choosing any of the others. The only issues then that can be considered are how the animal is killed, the life it leads up until the moment it is killed, and the impact on the rest of the species and the environment if it is killed. Killing a rare panda for food using a bow and arrow would be wrong unless there were absolutely no alternatives (in which case the panda would probably be dead anyway), painlessly killing a farmed mink brought up in a mink-friendly caging system because you want to wear it's skin would be OK.
Personally I do eat meat and I wouldn't wear fur, but that's because I like one and not the other, and I wouldn't impose my choices on anyone else.”

“There's nothing wrong with killing animals for fur. Many years ago i had a donkey-jacket that was very snug and warm.”

“Andrea. Being at the top of the food chain and apparently created in God's image, has granted mankind the power of choice. From my own experience as a country boy, human predators kill their prey before using any of its parts.”

“Animals being skinned alive for their furs is cruelty at its worst. And anyone who thinks it isn't cruel should have it done to them. If an animal has died of natural causes, or even for the meat market then perhaps that's a different matter. But to kill an animal solely for its fur is totally wrong. Well done to you, Gemma - be proud of yourself and know you are a good person.”

“Major Chord - what about the animals choice?”

“Major Chord. What about the animal's choice?”

“Gemma. If I wanted one and could afford one , I would like a full length wolfskin fur coat. I would like the CHOICE to be able to buy one.I do not want anyone's choices in a free world to be dictated by a minority who believe that because of emotional campaigning they have a valid case for everyone else to dance to their tune. If you have the type of 'anti-fur' conscience as does Mair, and many others ,then don't buy fur. Simple. But please don't dictate that others should be governed by feelings you have. Reasoned argument is sensible, violent and offensive campaigns such as we have seen by protesters against Huntingdon Life Sciences, is not. Mair's presentation is well thought out, but alienating. I am not a vegetarian and like many others do not wish to be told how we should freely think. For example, say I could not stand and will not wear a baseball cap as I find them offensive because they indicate to me American values,a mind set and social comment which is less than flattering. But I will not wage a campaign for their abolition (yet) . It's question of choice based on whatever conscience you possess.”

“Lol, Major...

The issue isn't about fur in itsself being bad, but the cruelty involved in raising them in brutal conditions, mainly to reduce costs, before skinning them alive!

It's basically a question of morals... like why don't we wear human skin?
There's lots of it about, it's mostly humanely raised, it comes in increasingly large sizes and it's probably a good insulator...
Some even come with snazzy tattoos!!! ;)

Interesting animation btw... :)”

“@Major Chord - yes but there's a difference between needing the fur to keep warm because that's all there is available, and killing animals purely for fashion. That's what she is campaigning against.”

“So, is anyone who wears their grandmother's fox stole or pre-war fur coat going to feel guilty? If so why? These items may exist in many wardrobes and are not only historic fashion items ( a vegetarian's example of past animal depravity!), but some actually keep you extremely warm. We cannot bring the creatures back to life from whence these furs came. Does this young lady feel she can morally condemn Eskimos and Lapplanders and others who rely on nature around them to provide them with warm clothing and surviving on the meat these creatures provide? Can you see her freezing in the Arctic waving "Ban fur hunting" placards? No, because she will be having to wear very expensive man-made carbon foot printing garments which a survivalist hunter cannot afford . Furthermore, please ask the Arctic dwellers how a vegetarian could survive in frozen Arctic conditions. My advice would be to stay at home and modify her campaign. Mankind survived the harshest of conditions harnessing nature, it has been in our nature to use what naturally occurs around us for tens of thousands of years. That includes using fur and meat providing animals. The debate starts here!”