'Fantastic' backing helps Sinfin waste plant campaigners take fight to court

“To http-404
Now that sounded like you called him a bit of a lier, dont hold back will you. Me thinks you may be right though”

“To allen town
That sums up that area to a tee, a bunch of no hopers who will and will always be dumped on.”

“Look Pine_Martin
They told them poor National Servicemen the they would be perfectly safe when they exploded that bomb over the sea near Christmas Island and we All know what happened to them poor lads.
Just what do you and your mate Bayliss think the children of Derby are,
Ginny pigs?”

“How about personal experience of these perfectly safe facilities in Australia? Do you think for one moment the Australian government would allow them to be built near major cities if they were not safe?
It seems to be YOUR "knowledge" which is lacking. Obviously you have listened to too much propoganda by the enviro-nuts who raise scaremjongering lies whenever an industrial plant "

Pine_martin I have not been listening to any environmental propaganda, I turn off whenever Dotty starts spouting on here, and as for Peter's unpunctuated rambling
As I said previously I object not only because I am not convinced its as safe as it should be but mainly because I do not believe the planning process has been correctly followed or due diligence taken by the council
There are many issues surrounding why the plant should not be built anywhere in Derby, health issues is only one of them
Please expand on your 'personal experiences' of such plants in Australia
You are a derby accountant who has previously served in the Falklands and Northern IrelNd, you have set up aNd worked with charities as well as had a motor racing career before becoming a disabled rights crusader. When within this busy life did you become an expert on Australian waste disposal?”

“Pine_martin.
If you love Aus so much, can you please just go an emigrate there so we can carry on making things better here?
See how much you enjoy breathing in air that can kill you earlier and harm your children...go on, send us postcards and everything.
OR if your not able to get there, how about you stay here and swap houses with me? Then you can stay next to this amazing piece of modern accomplishment. You can stare at the wondrous smoke that shows progress and you can enjoy its full benefits. I live on Carlyle, which is only a stones throw from it, you'll be able to enjoy it as much as you can! Let me know if you want to house swap then. okay? Fair is only fair, wouldn't want to stop you from being all progressy and modern and all that.”

“Alternatives to incineration are perfectly logical and available. These include the application of the Waste Hierarchy, REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE/COMPOST - THESE ARE above incineration and landfill, ALSO argued by others today too.

It is the waste incineration contract which is driving the unsustainable plans for incineration, as RRS/Shanks need 13,000 tonnes monthly of so-called residual waste )blackbin) of a certain 'organic' and 'calorific' value. The latest plans to charge for the brownbin and force people to throw the foodwaste fromthere that is currently composted - into the blackbin instead, is a direct reversal of the Waste Hierarchy, as it drags such compostable waste DOWN the hierarchy to incineration - a lower position - fromits currently high one.

Already poor air quality, WILL worsen in TWO AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT AREAS FOR NITROGEN DIOXIDE AND PARTICULATES, - City Council admitted this in their evidence to the inquiry, plus over 172,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide will be produced each year, -SSAIN evidence- from RRS.Shanks themselves, as well as dioxin -ALSO KNOWN AS Agent Orange - which under the POPS Treaty -signed by UK - we are supposed to stop creating.

The Derby prototype incineration plant on the Isle of Wight is to be shut down as they cannot get it to work, despite feeding it with thousands of tonnes of diesel fuel, in order to get the wet waste burning. It has also breached dioxin limits by 800 %. Yet it is deigned to build such an experimental, non-proven incinerator in the city and then study the increased rates of birth defects, which it is known that dioxin causes (Bhopal, Corby, Vietnam etc) The Health Protection Agency are to start those studies in the year this burner is planned to be up and running. That is nothing short of monstrous in a supposedly civilised society.

Derby and South Derbyshire Friends of the Earth
http://tinyurl.com/d6jmmcd”

“We had a good day in court today where our barrister put across our case in which we challenged the inspectors ruling. The judge Mr Justice Stephen Davies listed to both sides before closure of the sitting. We await his ruling in the coming weeks. We had a good turnout at Manchester with over 30 members of the public attending. Thanks to those who have donated to allow this case to progress.
Oh and Pine Martin it has clearly escaped you that those are objecting are NIABY's ! thats Not In Anyones Back Yard.”

“When pine martin talks about Australian incinerators is he be by any chance referring to the last gasification incinerator built in Australia, the Woolongong Brightstar Incinerator. This had to be closed as it was an absolute failure and a danger to the public. There are no large scale gasifying incinerators in the world, few companies dares to build them, as they have to be monitored. If they do get built they are soon closed down usually during commissioning as the real level of their dangerously polluting emissions become public. The one that the Derby Incinerator is to modelled on is to shut in a couple of years after less then 5 years as it is a failure. The other big brand new one in Dargaval Scotland is also shut most of the time and not yet out of commissioning.”

“by Http_404
you should try actually doing some research on the history of the story in question and making an informed comment?"


How about personal experience of these perfectly safe facilities in Australia? Do you think for one moment the Australian government would allow them to be built near major cities if they were not safe?
It seems to be YOUR "knowledge" which is lacking. Obviously you have listened to too much propoganda by the enviro-nuts who raise scaremjongering lies whenever an industrial plant is proposed.”

“Pine_John_Martin
I am neither a Nimby in this instance (I live the far side of Littleover to this proposed facility) nor an 'eco-loon'
I drive a car, I enjoy car based activities and sport, which dispels your 3rd generalisation
I have no objections to roads, in fact as a civil engineer I help build them, dispelling your 4th generalisation
I object however to the siting of this facility, for many reasons, and not all health or safety related
I have read and taken on board both sides of the arguments for and against and arrived at what I feel to be a sensible and reasoned decision on how I feel the planning process has been followed, and in this case, I don't think it has been dealt with properly therefore the 'econimbys' as you call them have a very good case to pursue

Perhaps instead of posting abuse to maintain a big hardnosed online persona you have generated for yourself (probably fake) you should try actually doing some research on the history of the story in question and making an informed comment?”