Victoria Martindale: It takes strength to be vegan in today's meat-mad society

“well no matter who you eat, i love animals, i love the beauty of all life, if thats a crime then Ime sorry. there is no doubt when you see any aniamal fighting for his or her life and seeing the suffering of mothers having her calf taken away from her, NOBODY can ever say thats a good sight to see, we all have to be responsible, but ime afraid no many care enough and are ignorant, greed and pallet seems to rule the world, you know you wont die by not eating animals or baby milk and eggs, you might suffer from eating them, not just health wise but in your heart if you dig deeper”

“DB, why are you being so defensive? I asked you as I wanted to know if you agreed with the theories in your posts and it certainly was not a loaded question, it was a very straightforward one. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though as perhaps you don't know what a loaded question is.
I have never claimed to disbelieve absolutely anything published by a newspaper DB, I just mainatain a healthy cynicism. If you intended what you posted to be taken as offering an alternative view to Victoria's and not as being something that you posted because you agree with it, why on earth did you not just add that to your posts?
Anyway, if indeed you just made the posts containing the quotes to offer an alternative view to Victoria's, may I be the first person to congratulate you for your apparent new role as a sort of unofficial Derby Telegraph wikipedia. Well done you.”

“Oh and btw, the "inquest jury concluded that, if annual gas safety checks had been completed at the rented property, then in "all probability" Stephen Newton's death would have been prevented".”

“It is all about personal choices.

If you chose to lead a vegan life, then I wish you well. As long as you don't try to tell me how great Tofu is, I will resist the temptation to tell you about the Lamb Curry I have been cooking since yesterday......”

“"It's World Vegan Month and time to move over, carnivores"

"So, if it's not for you, fine. Back off"

Sounds like the vegans are the aggressive ones.”

“@Reason_Rhyme, you wrote-
So, if it's not for you, fine. Back off.
Back off?
Who started this?
Not us carnies........”

“" Certainly human dentician is NOT adapted for meat eating - try tearing a carcase open with your teeth and see how far you get."

And you try opening a walnut with yuor bare hands...”

“Hello. I didn't even really read the comments here, but I skimmed them, so I thought I'd say a couple things.

First, how this author or anyone else eats is no threat to you. If you feel you must continue to eat meat, then no matter how many vegans there are, you'll still eat meat. So don't feel defensive about it, as there's no need.

Second, look. If you want to have a lot of energy and lose a lot of weight and not worry about counting calories or anything like that, you can choose to eat a whole-food, plant-based diet. If you are concerned about developing cancers that run in your family or about your high cholesterol or about your chances of heart disease or type 2 diabetes (or you already have these things), you can make positive changes today. Stop eating processed food at least. But down on your meat at least. Even better, cut down on your dairy, that will make the quickest improvement to most people's health. It's hard to do, but once you stop your addiction to cheese, you will not feel so tempted by it. Really.

You just can't argue with results. If you know of anyone who didn't improve their health and well-being when they began eating, in this order: raw vegetables, vegetables cooked with little or no oil, whole unprocessed grains, beans, fruit, and nuts, I'd like to hear about that person. I know it sounds really restrictive and like "no fun," but I assure you, it doesn't have to be like that. I appreciate the taste of food so much more now, cook more for myself than ever before, am more creative and experimental in how I eat, feel love and appreciation for what I eat, and I also have improved health.

So, if it's not for you, fine. Back off. I really hope you have health into your future. But if it's something you would consider looking into, maybe look into it. Read The China Study and watch Forks Over Knives and get some cookbooks from the library or read blogs and see what vegans are cooking. Vegan LOVE cooking. Browse their blogs. See if there aren't even small changes you could make.

Good luck to all.”

“And to pre-empt your next comment that you have resorted to in the past -
If another superior species came along, from outer space, with green skin and antennas on their heads and started farming humans for food then yes, that would be my lot, and whilst I would sign up the armed forces, to defend the human race, (just like you have done in the past on a smaller scale in the Falklands and northern Ireland), ultimately if that was the way it turned out then I guess I would become food, and whilst not happy about it there would be little I could do and eventually I would accept it and hope my ending to be as quick and painless as possible

Unlikely in mine or yours lifetime though isn't it? (if it does happen I'm sure the DT will be first on the scene with frontline reporter Julie Martian-dale)”

“Get a room you two :-)”