“Penny - Five - lamps
Indeed yes, I will do that it will make for some interesting listening however has any physical evidence been presented such as soil samples showing toxin's that have gone into the soil from in and around the land fill sites as there is one or two that I know of that will have
and as regard to the air quality that is the main stay of the defence against the incinerator being built as I do know and understand what they are referring to when they say this which also relates to the soil toxin's that I referred to, which come from man made materials which are comely known has PCBs or polymer Carbons which contain other toxins that are detrimental to health in a big way should they breathed in directly there is a simple way of detecting these and that is to fill a plastic bag full of man made materials and set light to it under controlled conditions the black acrid smoke that comes from it , which has a sweat poignant choking smell and taste to it , which also clings to your clothes the choking smell are the toxin's entering the air when burnt i.e. poly carbon's I could go on and tell you what these toxin's are but for now they are known has inhibitors in production circles primary to stop the man made products from degrading at a rapid rate anyway I don;t mean to depress you but I will be there to listen and should you be there and wish to look for me my attire will stand out”

“Excuse double posting, due to another glitch.

@john, ilk Derby

Acknowledge your response thanks for the interesting background.

Re your comment ¿me, me¿ society I may concede that, it is part of the problem but can¿t recall on recent threads that it has been particularly evident though I may not have seen them.

Refreshing to think that children might argue about putting rubbish in the bin must be better than in the street?

Of course continuing with landfill is not an option. So things can be changed and turned around if there is a will, all is not lost, though it would have been a good if progress on the subject of waste had been addressed several decades ago and not leaving to the last minute, knee jerk reactions to the impending increased landfill penalties!
As individuals we can reduce, after all our rubbish costs us dear. So why produce it in excess and poison ourselves, the planet and strip it of its valuable resources in the process, so there will be nothing left for future generations or the amazing life forms with which we share our world?
The three bin system is the constructive idea you are seeking but agree it still needs perfecting. I do not understand how people can afford to buy food to throw away!
If food is wasted then wrap it up well in newspaper before putting it in the brown bin it avoid smells, maggots etc, there are biodegradable bags available as well.

If you can, come to the inquiry next Tuesday to hear Professor Connett himself on the subject, a world renowned expert.
He will be cross examined by Mr Kingston QC for the appellant.”

“@Andy,

Off subject, I like trees and hugging = that I¿m not adverse to tree huggers!
Now back to topic: this conversation needs to be had across the city not left to just any one group or section of the community to deal with, that is grossly unfair, it shouldn¿t go unnoticed that it is one of the most deprived areas in Derby therefore it follows it is no accident it is the chosen site for the proposed incinerator.

¿Re NIMBYism is a silly word, but very appropriate.
P.S. talking of NIMBYs Penny, I thought Five Lamps was on the other side of town?¿

Not a great distance and your point being?

I fail to see your problem I¿m completely onside for the people living in Sinfin & Osmaston and the campaign against incineration.
As surely as night follows day I have never subscribed to the view out of sight, out of mind, nothing to do with me attitude therefore it will not be a surprise that when you hear, see, read ¿No Incineration¿ it means just that, not in Sinfin, not anywhere. It is neither a sane, sensible or a sustainable solution.”

“@Andy,

Off subject, I like trees and hugging = that I¿m not adverse to tree huggers!
Now back to topic: this conversation needs to be had across the city not left to just any one group or section of the community to deal with, that is grossly unfair, it shouldn¿t go unnoticed that it is one of the most deprived areas in Derby therefore it follows it is no accident it is the chosen site for the proposed incinerator.

¿Re NIMBYism is a silly word, but very appropriate.
P.S. talking of NIMBYs Penny, I thought Five Lamps was on the other side of town?¿

Not a great distance and your point being?

I fail to see your problem I¿m completely onside for the people living in Sinfin & Osmaston and the campaign against incineration.
As surely as night follows day I have never subscribed to the view out of sight, out of mind, nothing to do with me attitude therefore it will not be a surprise that when you hear, see, read ¿No Incineration¿ it means just that, not in Sinfin, not anywhere. It is neither a sane, sensible or a sustainable solution.”

“In the interests of fairness I stated that the plant would emit almost a tonne of nanoparticles and I stated it as fact. This was taken from an RRS document that did not put across information in an open way so I am unable to confirm this statement.
@ Andy I wouldnt agree with the process for other reasons such as particle emissions and the plants impact on waste management further up the waste tree of which energy from waste is near the bottom. What I highlighted regarding dioxin monitoring is clearly without constant monitoring we are unable to know when the public are at risk. Even then did the EA tell the residents of the Isle of Wight there had been a problem - it would appear not !”

“Penny Five Lamps

In answer to your question yes I do know sinfin I also lived in derby city for three years way back in the seventies my father also worked at the carriage and wagon works has was. for thirty years I have also worked in derby up until 2006 and lived in Derbyshire since the day I was born and that was over fifty years ago never wanted or needed to be any where else other than derby or Derbyshire has it is the only place on this entire planet where I have every thing I will ever need or could ever want so you mite say the place is in my blood but what I do know is that the Derbyshire people has a hole are a constructive proud people very plain speaking when needed don't suffer fools gladly this comes from being a very industrious county from farming to mills to railways and to steel making and everything in between the point I making is we just got on with it, however what makes me so angry with regard to this argument what is basically about what to do with and where we put our rubbish now there are no more land fill sites, and all I seem to read and hear about is me, me, me, and I want, with no actual constructive opposing idea's being put forward its a bit like children arguing over who's turn it is to take out the rubbish and put it in the bin so I think its time we had some good and constructive idea's put forward that could satisfy everyone's needs and then just get on and do it!”

“@Peter - Andy is much like Martin Kingston QC. They both profess an interest in scientificly-based evidence but then deliver nothing in the way of credible data to substantiate their claims of safety.

Would at least one of my learned friends care to put up or shut up?”

“andy they go to burton for retreading ,if you notice i only sell certain brands /they are the ones that can be retreaded .no pirelis ect .if you know me youll no my brands .plus the rest go to alruba .for underlay .childs playgrounds ect ...yes i do recycle .do you andy . i waste nothing my car runs on cooking oil recycled and legal . i dont buy nylon clothes but there again you make this personal .nothing to do with the suject . which is the subject ,not my private life .sad eh .ill be writing my life story if tou like”

“one thing to remember rrs have admitted deaths will be brought forward .there wil be child deaths .heart and lung deises .will increase . surely that is enough to say no .but wealth not health seems more important .til its one of your own .ive been through it .to sit watch some one suffer and linger on in pain is horrific ,weve had it three times , ill tell you now you never forget ,my brother was 32 , they kept him alive as a guinee pig for 3 years . telling us lies as it was a rare tumour the first one found in someone his age ,my mother sat by his side day and night .. til youve been through it .youll never understand ..there are many families now in sifin going through it why add to it .clr hickson is right along with ssain /and foe .they should not be built”

“Peter,

Where do your tyres go after you have applied the environmental disposal tax?”