“To make my position clear at the outset. The bedroom tax is completely wrong. It will force people out of homes they have lived in for 20, 30 years or more and have raised their family in, or it will push people into poverty as they seek to stay put. I'll debate these points with any one who seeks to defend this immoral policy.

However the purpose of this post is to query the starting proposition by 'chatelet'.

So 'chatelet' please tell us:

Who are these 'Specialist Housing Committees'? What are they called and, if it's not self-evident from the name, are they statutory bodies, or pressure groups, or something different? What are their addresses and web-sites? Who triggered the consultation with them - and can you paste in the hyper-link to the document?

'The Government are calling to amend the 1985 Housing Act...' Does that mean the Govt are BEING CALLED UPON to amend, or that the Govt are PROPOSING to amend.

You state: 'The COST of dividing up living space should these measures be introduced will FALL ON THE CLAIMANT, with the tenant facing eviction or heavy fines if failing to carry out work within strict time limits.' To me this sounds the most surprising of all as it would change very long-standing landlord and tenant legal responsibilities, apparently throwing responsibility for altering the structural layout of the building and the capital costs of doing so on to the tenant. So again, I ask please provide the consultation document.

To conclude, the bedroom tax is bad enough anyway, so its important that the growing opposition to it doesn't get dissipated by stories of doubtful provenance.”

“To make my position clear at the outset. The bedroom tax is completely wrong. It will force people out of homes they have lived in for 20, 30 years or more and have raised their family in, or it will push people into poverty as they seek to stay put. I'll debate these points with any one who seeks to defend this immoral policy.

However the purpose of this post is to query the starting proposition by 'chatelet'.

So 'chatelet' please tell us:

Who are these 'Specialist Housing Committees'? What are they called and, if it's not self-evident from the name, are they statutory bodies, or pressure groups, or something different? What are their addresses and web-sites? Who triggered the consultation with them - and can you paste in the hyper-link to the document?

'The Government are calling to amend the 1985 Housing Act...' Does that mean the Govt are BEING CALLED UPON to amend, or that the Govt are PROPOSING to amend.

You state: 'The COST of dividing up living space should these measures be introduced will FALL ON THE CLAIMANT, with the tenant facing eviction or heavy fines if failing to carry out work within strict time limits.' To me this sounds the most surprising of all as it would change very long-standing landlord and tenant legal responsibilities, apparently throwing responsibility for altering the structural layout of the building and the capital costs of doing so on to the tenant. So again, I ask please provide the consultation document.

To conclude, the bedroom tax is bad enough anyway, so its important that the growing opposition to it doesn't get dissipated by stories of doubtful provenance.”

“To make my position clear at the outset. The bedroom tax is completely wrong. It will force people out of homes they have lived in for 20, 30 years or more and raised their family in, or it will push people into poverty as they seek to stay put. I'll debate these points with any one who seeks to defend this immoral policy.

However the purpose of this post is to query the staring proposition by 'chatelet'.

So 'chatelet' please tell us:

Who are these 'Specialist Housing Committees'? What are they called and, if it's not self-evident from the name, are they statutory bodies, or pressure groups, or something different? What are their addresses and web-sites? Who triggered the consultation with them - and can you paste in the hyper-link to the document?

'The Government are calling to amend the 1985 Housing Act...' Does that mean the Govt are BEING CALLED UPON to amend, or that the Govt are PROPOSING to amend.

You state: 'The COST of dividing up living space should these measures be introduced will FALL ON THE CLAIMANT, with the tenant facing eviction or heavy fines if failing to carry out work within strict time limits.' To me this sounds the most surprising as it would change very long-standing landlord and tenant legal responsibilities, apparently throwing responsibility for altering the structural layout of the building and the capital costs of doing so on to the tenant. So again, I ask please provide the consultation document.

To conclude, the bedroom tax is bad enough anyway, so its important that the growing opposition to it doesn't get dissipated by stories of doubtful provenance.”

“Is this in retaliation of the law which says a box room isn't classed as a bedroom because the only thing that will fit is a very small bed and little else? How can any bedroom be halved to make two as it means both would be smaller still than a box room? Even Prisoners are deemed to need space.”

“Moderator - please delete the repeats of my entry. It had showed as 'failed' to upload so I'd had to repeat. Ta”

“The same left-wing propaganda appeared on the Nottingham Post site, where it was decried as being totally false.”

“Yeah, Dave, and it's been removed. The worst thing is about this bedroom tax is the effect it will have on various people. For instance, you and your partner have lived in your social housing house for 30 years, raised children who have now left home. One or both of you work but are on low wages and claim housing benefit. You have neighbours with whom you are friends, and your other friends live nearby. You keep your home, inside and out, in good condition and look after your garden. Part of the cohesion of community that this government bangs on about, maybe you are part of the 'big society' in your area.

But, unless you can afford to pay the extra, you're gonna have to move. Maybe to a one bedroom flat on the other side of town. Away from your neighbours and friends. Away from your community. All for a bit of money that you cannot afford to pay on minimum wage.

If only you had an adult child in the forces. Then it would be alright. Is this social engineering of some sort?

And of course, whilst this is going on, you realise that the Tories forced through the spineless LibDems a tax cut of 5% for those whose wealth you could never even begin to imagine. £40k a year EXTRA. If you had even a fraction of that EXTRA income you could afford to stay where you now live.”

“FALSE PROPOGANDA BY LEFT WING EXTREMISTS”

“FALSE PROPOGANDA BY LEFT WING EXTREMISTS”

“This matter of bedroom tax would not come about if this country takes in account that there are to many people unemployed and on low wages and the influx of to many none British taking up residence without a job.
further to that the government have aloud the public to abuse the rental market by charging rent that in some parts of the country would account for that of a mortgage.
and yes why would anyone be wanting to stay within a house rich or poor when the home is bigger than there needs.
A king in his or castle has maids servants and so forth. all the rooms are occupied. we are not all kings and queens.
The government needs to sort this matter out. Property prices will then fall because would you pay £500 a week rent which is being claimed in some parts of this country.”

“If the bedroom tax is to work then the local housing company as to build hundreds of flats and bungalows Different elderly people have different needs some would have to have a stair lift if there was not a ground floor accommodation,extra cost to the health budget.There is a million and one problems with the Idea,and local councils will have the task of sorting it.
With the new house mortgage scheme that the government is going to implement were people can borrow to buy if you have a five percent down payment,what is to stop groups of entrepreneurs from flooding the market
to rent peoples local housing properties.”